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How I hacked DEFCON | Cody Ho (2023 DEFCON Champion)
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How I hacked DEFCON | Cody Ho (2023 DEFCON Champion)
"Someone had the brilliant idea of giving computers control of the entire world and its infrastructure, and then doing the absolute bare minimum to secure any of them" - Cody Ho

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Cody Ho is the winner of 2023’s DEFCON, the world's largest and most famous hacker conference. This year, Cody took home two of the three top spots in competitions revolving around manipulating popular AI models like ChatGPT and Google Bard. Cody is a current Stanford student, developer, and hacker. Here’s an overview of our conversation:

  • How did you get into hacking? (0:00)

  • White Hat vs Black Hat (1:40)

  • Walking out without knowing that you had won (5:33)

  • How to hack an LLM (6:59)

  • Adversarial attacks (10:55)

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Future of Product Podcast is a weekly podcast in which Maxwell Matson, writer of Future of Product, sits down with founders and product leaders at rising AI startups to discuss their product journeys, their teams' approach to using AI, and their opinions on the hottest issues in the space.